How does a person get saved? Rick Warren certainly seems to be slipping past a bunch of people. If you believe that women can and/or should be pastors, I ask you to flip your method of interpreting the Word. I didnt have much time for family, and I remember sometimes my wife and I would discuss how I was never there. How can you get involved? ), but its presented in a safe, child-like way. All that said, women can teach anyone in many circumstances, and I agree the Bible gives multiple examples of God using women for great things. - The Set-Apart Walk, https://thesetapartwalk.com/why-i-wont-apologize-for-calling-out-false-teachers/, 4 LifeWay Red Flags That Should Send You Running - The Set-Apart Walk, Why I Wont Apologize For Calling Out False Teachers - The Set-Apart Walk, https://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-warren-to-muslims-talk-is-cheap-let-s-work-together.html, Why Churches Are Becoming LGBTQ+ Allies - The Set-Apart Walk, Rick Warren And The Problem With Celebrity Pastors - The Set-Apart Walk, https://thesetapartwalk.com/progressive-christianity-not-all-progress-is-good/, https://thesetapartwalk.com/christian-unity-is-not-what-you-think-it-is/, https://thesetapartwalk.com/catholicism-is-not-biblical-christianity/, https://thesetapartwalk.com/why-churches-are-becoming-lgbtq-allies/, https://thesetapartwalk.com/how-to-identify-a-bad-ladies-bible-teacher/, https://thesetapartwalk.com/rick-warren-and-the-problem-with-celebrity-pastors/, Christian Unity Is Not What You Think It Is - The Set-Apart Walk, Responding To Your Feedback: Part 1 - The Set-Apart Walk. Hes literally ushering in a one world religion and setting the stage for the anti-Christ. If you dont, in the end youre not going to do much good for your church or ministry if you burn out. So it was a huge growth for us. Thanks for leaving a comment. However, I will say that my husband is the pastor of a small, rural Baptist church in Wisconsin. Looking at your list, though, Id say most of what you listed is unbiblical. I might be the only one with this impression, but this page mixed with the embarrassing overuse of the word purpose all over the website is a little much for me. Catholics believe in Transubstantiation, Do You have Communion? But we seem to only be interested in that its men. Is it because people struggle with loving themselves enough? He was buried and resurrected 3 days later, defeating death and offering us the free gift of salvation. The work in the nursery, on the missions committee, etc., is just as important as a pastors calling. If a whole post on the subject is wrong, then I wonder how much is acceptable to you. Jesus is their life. And he does this by making the gospel and his church easier for the world to tolerate, but its so watered down it is barely recognizable. If youre curious about who I am, you should read my testimony. Whether or not individuals who are both employed by SBC agencies or serve as trustees of those entities and agencies seized upon the opportunity of Rick Warrens retirement to seek and pursue the removal of Saddleback from fellowship, I dont know. Women can use avenues such as serving in church and political appointments to accomplish this charge. For Rick to do what he did in Southern California required some different strategies and different ways of communicating, and that was unsettling to traditional hard-line Southern Baptists. I wonder how many poor souls were freed from addiction by their ministry? The church, led by founding pastor Rick Warren, made the announcement via Facebook, saying the best days are ahead of the congregation. I can appreciate that my blog is not your taste. God bless you! On hearing of Saddleback's decision to allow women to become pastors, some Southern Baptist ministers had conflicting opinions. So the Southern Baptist Convention gave it the boot, Q&A: Talking about the Southern Baptist sex abuse scandal with Pastor P.J. Im really enjoying reading through this forum. What Christ is Warren suggesting people accept? With its main campus in Lake Forest, Saddleback Church has grown to 14 locations in Southern California, with an average weekly attendance of 30,000, and more than 7,000 small groups meeting in . The broken stuff in me has more to do with my burnout and the path Im on than anything else. God bless! If you ever do find proof of that, though, I hope youll share it. Thats my experience, at least. Each person is different and comes at the teaching from their own history, personality, etc. He is now dedicated to helping leaders live and lead from a healthy soul. He has limited time, limited focus, limited boundaries. Im going to skip over forgiving ourselves and look right to forgiving God. Absolutely not! Rick Warren is wonderful, and here are some personal experiences. Unlike all other gods, though, Jesus is real and rose from the grave 3 days later. Weve thought, Im supposed to be available 24/7. Additionally, I know many Southern Baptists have spoken about their concerns with Saddleback and had zero response. On Tuesday (Feb. 21), Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, was "deemed not to be in friendly cooperation" with the SBC for having Stacie Woods wife of newly appointed senior pastor. Just because you like something doesnt make it good, accurate, or biblical. It happened in the wake of Saddlebacks determination as an autonomous local church to ordain female ministers not as senior pastors of the church, but as associate ministers of the church. Thanks for your concern about my ability to read the Bible and view it in context. No, I havent contacted Pastor Warren or the SBC. They need to have a compelling, inspiring reason why. God doesnt need our forgiveness, and to suggest otherwise is foolishness. The celebrity pastor culture at the church and pastor emphasis on the website distract from Jesus. The whole world talks this way to each other & about each other. He makes people who prefer authoritarian evangelical structures bristle. I, myself, had a dangerous drinking habit into my mid-twenties. Its not becoming of a lady who is set apart. I certainly hope that you take your own advice, as well. Created by the team that produces CareLeader.org, GriefShare features many of the experts who contribute to the CareLeader website. Sadly, he misuses Scripture, apparently affirms female pastors, and he does not give a clear gospel message (sin and death included), despite having a huge audience. However, in its proper context we discover this is bad advice given by one of Jobs friends. 2. A healthy, sound church is such a gift. Saddleback is the exception. Another missing gospel, a focus on something other than Jesus, and mishandling Scripture make for another gospel failing. Church membership is suggested but not insisted upon. No thanks to you. The Bible explicitly tells women what to teach in Titus 2:3-5. Regardless, most addicts in recovery realize they need god to stay in recovery and a new journey with the lord begins. Hi, Debbie. Im rooting for him. The Bible encourages all Christians both male and female to follow the commands of God in telling others about Him. We equip and inspire pastors and senior church leaders to provide strategic, real-world pastoral care, by delivering practical, biblically based encouragement and insights that have application for preaching, counseling, visitation, lay leader training, and outreach planning. Large pictures of him living his best life now while describing him in such a way that it feels a little cultish. You say that you were saved in CR, but youre not demonstrating a very Christlike attitude towards me. No church is perfect. They are to be held accountable, and Jesus example was public admonishment. If youre recruiting them to be a small-group leader, whats the job of a small-group leader? I know Im just a regular person and havent started my own female-ordaining mega-church, but maybe having access to Gods Word should have been a bit sooner? Most pastors I know take a day off, and they catch up on all the stuff they couldnt get done during the week because they were doing ministry. An example of this eisegesis can be seen with the following verse: Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.. You can find detailed answers to those questions on the My Testimony and What Is The Set-Apart Walk pages. If you could just manage your environment better, you wouldnt burn out. Do you have faith? A man battling chronic anger. There is so many different Churches(Buildings ,with preaching going on).What about Catholic Nuns? With that in mind, Im fine with making the story easy to understand. Saddleback Church in Southern California has cleared Rick Warren successor Andy Wood following an investigation into allegations of an abusive leadership style. Then I have them circle the one thats absolutely the most important for keeping their tank filled. How did you learn that you would be appointed one of the first female pastors for Saddleback Church? Im sure. Females from cover to cover in the Bible have been used by God, and they will continue to be used by Him in the future, as they are obedient in following his leading in their lives. We are all different and take many approaches on teaching Gods word; thats whats most important. Id have just as much opportunity getting in contact with Sandra Bullock as I would with him. Southern Baptists have always been more concerned about distributing life jackets to people who are drowning than straitjackets, he said. I find it incredibly sad when Christians seek to tear each other down. Im assuming you are thinking about Matthew 18:15-17 about handling disputes. Sadly, most negative comments I get on this post ultimately make the same points. And praise the Lord! Its beautiful, and Rick Warren often leaves this out a lot. I have great news for you! Rick Warren and the church has changed many lives, including mine. Self-promotion and pastor dont seem to jive. Church growth can be through the roof. Romans 14 is about not having disunity over disputable matters. If you want to teach what you believe is right, do that. I went to Saddleback in 2000, and Rick Warren wrote The Purpose Driven Life in 2002. Its amazing how that inability to only think of ourselves can be changed with the power of salvation. Give people a simple step. Youre a rare gem in that way. And what about unbelievers? In addition to the excellent help that Lance shared in his interview, you might be interested in reading the following CareLeader.org articles: First, you say its OK that I have my personal opinions, but you then correct me for sharing them. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Of course you will use your declining membership as sign of walking a pure and narrow walk. I dont know if someone designed the Rick Warren pastor page to be this cringeworthy on purpose or if it was a terrible accident. Leave the lost wicked dying and addicted to those who give a damn. Everything you wrote is factual, it is an assessment based on Gods Word, not the relativistic moods of society. Whats the big deal, you ask? So many people out here in South Bay has been praying for years for a Saddleback campus, and through God's will, daring faith vision, and persistency, the prayers have now been answered. |, Christian Budgeting: There Really Is A Biblical Way, How To Sabotage Your Marriage: Unrealistic Expectations, News And The Willful Ignorance Of Christians - The Set-Apart Walk, Your Church Might Just Be A Social Club - The Set-Apart Walk, Lutheranism Is Biblical, Right? You are 100% correct! I was responsible, and it was my job, with the Holy Spirits help, to lead myself well. But I learned that as insidious as the external things are, the internal things are more insidious. (https://thesetapartwalk.com/why-i-wont-apologize-for-calling-out-false-teachers/) If you dont want to read my take on it because Im obviously not your cup of tea, then Google it. You must be new here. As a recovered alcoholic (decades ago) I can assure you that the addict HAS to put there recovery as the sole purpose of the program. It also says that an overseer a pastor is to be faithful to his wife. The Southern Baptists have never had any significant number of churches that have been pastored by women. And for some, like my mother, it proves to be stronger than they are. Im not the first or last Christian to address this topic. Fourth, you seem to think you know about my church and my beliefs. Pastors need to have life outside of ministry. Wow is a good word for your comment. He is also the author of the book Replenish, which is dedicated to helping leaders live and lead from a healthy soul. The American Church is an embarrassment as it strays away from the Lord. Im actually a little excited about Saddleback ordaining women because this gives the SBC no choice but to address female preaching. If we understand what Jesus did for us and why, then, in order to be saved, we need to repent of our sins and believe Jesus is who He says He is. Freeimages.com. PS.. Third, youve accused me of being prideful, self-righteous, and claim I think I am the only one who knows the Truth. I was on a fast track to a similar fate, but salvation through Jesus led to my sobriety. Im not hammering anyone. In fact, their annual meeting is later this month, and there are plenty of messengers ready to discuss this. Although we do not see eye to eye on this topic, I do pray you have many blessings in the years to come. INTERVIEW WITH PASTOR CYNTHIA PETTY. My prayer is that people turn back to solid Bible teaching in their local churches. Then something changed, Most of Yosemite Valley is closed due to potentially perilous snowpack and flooding, She felt paralyzed: L.A. woman sues Big Surs Esalen Institute for alleged use of video with N-word in class, Dramatic video from rescue of driver who plunged more than 500 feet off Bay Area cliff, Mom influencer who said Latino couple tried to kidnap her kids convicted of false report, Cooler weather to bring rare May rain, snow into Southern California, Mass shooting leaves 3 women and 1 man dead in the Mojave desert. Julie you are nothing except discerning n humbly speaking the truth. I will be praying for you. I myself did actually enjoy The Purpose Driven life as a new Christian and have enjoyed many of Rick Warrens sermons (on line) but having read through your points, Im re-thinking a lot and will be re-searching his teachings a bit more in depth. 1.) In that case, a little help in this area would be needed and responsible of him and his ministry. . I am warning believers of a false teacher. I dont prop up a gospel no one can live up to. Copyright 2020 The Set-Apart Walk. You dont have to feel bad for me, though. The way he delivers his lukewarm message doesnt resonate with you and thats fine, you have every right to go to a different church. It sounds like Warren based his church on fundamental biblical principles, so what can I say? I mention this because its a bit inconsistent to tell me I can have my opinion, but in the next breath, tell me if and how I should share it However, Warren should be expecting, due to his popularity, that people might venture on his site who are nowhere near one of his campuses. Its not minor to openly and unrepentantly disobey Gods Word by ordaining female pastors. Many churches across the U.S. are scrambling in the wake of COVID-19 because they've focused solely on worship instead of other aspects of ministry, Pastor Rick Warren of the California-based Saddleback Church has said. If youre not convinced of the importance of marking and avoiding false teachers, then I suggest you read my post on why we should call them out. Deborah was the judgea political leaderover Israel in Judges 4. By the end of the 2030s, though, Saddleback likely will be just one of the hundreds of SBC churches ordaining women pastors. God bless you! Your opinion can influence someone who possibly is thinking about attending church to the first time, and discouraging them. While Saddleback does not use the word "Baptist" in its name, the church is affiliated with the 13.7 million-member SBC. That is sin. It was a very typical Monday morning on November 2, 2020. On June 2, Saddleback announced Wood as Warren's successor after Warren's more than four decades of service as the church's lead pastor. Last week the Southern Baptist Convention ousted Saddleback Church, one of its largest and highest-profile member churches, from its ranks. However, they had a much easier time than previously in dealing with their addiction. I have read this post over and over again because I want to take any critical comments I receive seriously and to check my tone. (Frankly, the more chances I give Rick Warren, the more negative things I find about him as a pastor.) Just WOW!!! Im definitely not straining gnats by pointing out that a world famous pastor gives a weak gospel or maybe even none at all. Bill Hybels, senior pastor of Willow Creek Community Church, said that in ministry youve got to be able to discern the difference between good hard and destructive hard. Good hard is healthy sacrifice. It is your opinion that you find the message to not be clear. Instead, Im comparing Bible teaching to Warrens teaching. She must know that God sent His Son, Jesus, to fulfill the law living a sinless life and that Jesus willingly took the punishment for our sin on the cross as the final sacrifice needed. Rick Warren and his wife started Saddleback with a vision to plant a church for people who didnt like church. I could tell you oodles about the church history because Saddleback loves itself some Saddleback. Face it, no one loves you as much as you do. These critics are blind and need the Holy Spirit to open their eyes. You, and many others, assume the worst and think I am speaking from my personal viewpoint. Get a Bible There it is! Scriptural qualifications also say pastors must be apt to teach, they must be the husband of one wife, they must be not given to wine its all in the Bible in 1st Timothy Chapter 3. What church do you attend? Destructive hard does lead to burnout. On the other hand, continued CR attendance is imperative. Dwight McKissic, senior pastor of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, Texas, shared his displeasure on Twitter, writing that the decision to "disfellowship" Saddleback was not about. Saddleback Church, founded by Pastor Rick Warren and his wife, Kay, in 1980, announced on Facebook that on May 6 it had ordained three women as ministers in a "historic night." On Mother's Day, which fell three days after Saddleback's ordination, the Sunday morning online message was given by Kay Warren. It also features the stories of over 75 everyday people whove applied biblical principles to heal from grief. Third, experiences dont trump the Bible. Know Ephesians 4. As I said, earlier, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) has given this church carte blanche to do whatever suits Warren. June 8, 2021 5 AM PT Rick Warren, the founder of a sprawling megachurch, a bestselling author and one of the most influential figures in American evangelicalism, is retiring as lead pastor of. Its about a slower time of worship and being with God. So, once again, we see a poorly given gospel message with more focus on Saddlebacks product than anything else. Adam Greenway, who served as the president of the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary from February 2019 to September 2022, was one of many who argued that the decision sets a bad precedent: There seems to be a sentiment in todays SBC that wants to purify the Convention, and sees women pastors as a huge threat to biblical authority and a slippery slope toward liberalism and drift, he wrote on Twitter. LGBTQ Ally Churches: https://thesetapartwalk.com/why-churches-are-becoming-lgbtq-allies/ Also, my post is not snide or prideful. How long have you been saved? Christian unity: https://thesetapartwalk.com/christian-unity-is-not-what-you-think-it-is/ He also refuses to refute homosexuality. This is why your churches are dying a slow death and churches like Saddleback are thriving. Jesus is just love. So, even if I didnt think female ordination was a problem, Saddleback is still in the wrong. The pastor doesnt have all the gifts. Pastor Rick Warren, who founded . Second, you think Im jealous of Rick Warren. So, he looks at the Bible through the lens of his own ideas and uses Scripture out of its proper context and meaning to support those ideas. Rapid-fire unrelated questions dont typically lead to a fruitful conversation. Im just not comfortable with it. It seems like we will have to agree to disagree. The short answers are as follows: I was saved on May 3, 2009. 3 Ways to Maintain Sanity in Ministry by Dr. Jeff Forrey. They finally came to believe on there own they cant do it but that there is one who can and will help them if they ask, and that one is god. Easy to judge mistakes of others. But Sabbath is about stopping, and resting, and delighting, and putting things in your life that fill you up. There are fourteen in California. Because as weve seen with Beth Moore, Mothers Day appears to negate the strict biblical mandates of pastoral ministry in liberal American churches. It says they have to be temperate. So, if someone in my church sinned against me, then Id follow those steps rather than publicly rebuke her. Last year, some claimed Warren's Saddleback Church no longer belongs in the convention and proposed ousting the biggest church in the SBC for ordaining female pastors. He is not the cause of your problems and poor choices. We need to change how we see God, not ourselves. Thank you. God is just love. If anything, you didnt go far enough, but you were 100% correct. A grieving teen. And as a side note: A large audience (which is what Saddleback has) is not necessarily indicative of a successful church. WOW!!!! I suppose I stepped on some toes here, but sometimes we need our toes stepped on, right? Thank you so much for doing what you do.
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