With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. The lesson they teach is that we do not have to possess love in order to experience it. The sign Chiron is in will dominate but the house placing will show in which area the personality is motivated and into which they will put their efforts. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. It often helps to work together on projects they find meaningful, or to spend some time doing community or charity work. One thing is certain, and that is planets in the 12th house dont behave like any other. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? Arent these positive aspects good enough to sustain a relationship down-to-earth, telling me to forgive and try again or just simply blowing the matter worse and prolonging it?. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Oh the powers of the 12th house. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. In traditional astrology this house is often associated with "undoing" or self-sabotage. Because thats what it feels like! Our lives are silly and sublime at once. That was over three years ago. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . Covered Here: The Composite 12th House in the Signs Composite Planets in the 12th House Transit Planets in the Composite 12th House Happy holidays and thank you for this article. I cant stop the regretful feelings. The aspects of the composite Moon will show how effectively they deal with the energies. While this is tricky to do, it takes a bit of analysis and creativity. Is this similar for composite ruler in 12th? Lovely article. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. Something is whispering in their ears. I have chiron in the 7th house Gemini natally. Im blessed to remember some past lives weve had and we have definitely come together to mend some old wounds and learn to forgive and love one another. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. Thanks. Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. The Inner Wheel Recommended Astrology Reading Lists, Crucible and the Wheel: The Transiting Nodes Series. They do not, however, lose interest once they have completed their aim. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Those of us with composite 12th emphasized will be asked to step away from the mundane and step into the world of the extraordinary, where unlikely connections are day to day things. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. ? Sorry I cant get into too much detail here, but if your composite Sun is conjunct Saturn, Pluto and the Ascendant then you can only take comfort in the fact that the relationship is meant to be transforming and spiritually challenging. Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. And this is where we must reach out beyond our small lives to touch the greater life that is possible. The feelings I have are much deeper than lust and infatuation. I and my boyfriend have conjunction of mars-venus in twelfth house (taurus) closely conjuncting composite gemini ascendant. I still remember very clearly how I felt 10 years ago when I first met my former boyfriend. We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. The Pluto struggle with the ego and power will engage with the partners planetsin a positive way, the partner can become a guide. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Since then we got closer and closer and couldnt hold back our attraction. This placement borders more on a feeling of universal consciousness. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. We met 3 months ago, and live 300 miles apart. I am NOT usually like this. Thank you for your insight. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. Is Your experience the same? *Also in synastry- my 12th house Juno in Taurus also sits in his 12th house) They often feel out of place and misunderstood. Good luck. We are each in our mid 60she never married, and I (a widow) married 25 yearsto a Pisces. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. Men with Chiron in the 12th House have a solid physical and mental constitution. I just am hesitating. Im sure your midpoint chart is valid if you had it read properly. venus+mars, etc. We share the same dreams, communicate telepathically, had a fated magnetic meeting; we are truly best friends. Comparing composites to the biwheel between two charts is impossible, like comparing apples and oranges. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Weve known each other for a decade??? Comfy date, lots of laughter, he contacted me for a second date. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! In the Davison, we have Saturn, Moon, Pluto, and Venus Conjunct in the 12th house. It's more difficult if something like the 12th house is emphasized; all that energy pouring into a house whose task is to dissolve and resolve, to . I feel like I never want tk part from this man. Astrology Symbols, Elements, Modalities, & House Types. But thank you for helping me face reality. However, Sag and Cap are very, very different from one another and the things that make you feel secure, comforted and appreciated will be very different, unless other things in the chart back them up. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. I am reasonably happy in my 3+ year marriage, and yet, I still miss my former boyfriend desperately sometimes. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? !Chiron is associated with the emotional wounds we receive early on in our lives. Thank you. . Its pretty rare. Mercury in the first is a good aspect to have because of the communication involved and the ability to think clearly regarding the relationship. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. with "openings" into new interests and abilities that can be. It may have felt like chaos, but later on we know that there was method to the madness. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. But i ran of him, i really dont understand why, it makes me feel so sad. Thank you very much. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. They are tenacious and will not give up until they achieve their goals. Composite 12th house in Taurus= Issues with Stubborness. Saturn and Pluto also play their part. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. When the transit Sun is in the composite 12th house, you may not give as much attention to the relationship, and instead a light is shone on things that have been hidden to the two of you. chiron is opposed to uranus with the moon/mercury midpiont conjnuct uranus. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. I was with him longer than Ive ever consecutively been with someone- 1 1/2 years. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. Its time to clean up the karma between you, according to the position of the Nodes in the composite chart. WhiteLotus. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. So I had to find an answer without destroying so many other lives or breaking up relationships. You will both be changed deeply by it. I am sufficiently haunted. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. How that manifests depends on other aspects. In my experience, the Davison chart reveals more of the day to day reality, and the midpoint chart reveals the inner working dynamic. Composite Saturn is in the 1st. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. When synastry presents itself on the Pluto/Node conjunction, the partner to the Pluto person will instigate growth, either from a negative or positive stimulus. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Do you think that is true? His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. venus+mars, etc. The empty space in Aries, would that be the outlet or where to focus all that energy? Hey Dawn! This secrecy he is practising probably points to the venus-mars in composite twelfth ? Im sorry to hear your story. A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. (Or so we believe, those of us who deal in astrology.) Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! Im glad youre enjoying it. I cannot be happy with him (I feel happy but it doesnt last any longer) or without him. Much depends on the relationship of the 12th house planets to one another. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. How does the 12th manifest when the planet is also conjunct the Asc? Gilly. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. This is my take on signs that have two rulersthere is a higher expression and a lower expression of the signs energy. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. I am surprised I did not find it and comment earlier, as I am still haunted by the same relationship 2 years after it ended. . I have a 12th house Capricorn stellium and my husband and I also have a composite 12th house Capricorn stellium. The attraction was instant. Like individuals with 12th house planets, couples with a lot of twelfth house may feel that there is something fated about their lives together. Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. so we find the True in each other. The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. You can have opportunities to let go and move on from the past, and you can explore your inner worlds . The only way that you can figure out the main issue of karma in a relationship is to examine the nature of both Nodes and their rulers in the Composite, along with aspects to the Nodes. It doesnt matter. so we find the True in each other. I had a karmic relationship with a guy for 6 years which ended badly. scares me a bit. Then you have to put the natal charts around the composite, and there are a number of other techiques depending on what questions are asked: coalescent charts, draconic charts, etc. let go or fight for it? Chiron In 12th House Composite, Composite Chiron In Twelfth House Issues from the past can resurface in the partnership when Composite Chiron is in the 12th House. Most of my relationships are like that . Chiron in Pisces, or the 12th House, is a sensitive, vulnerable, and compassionate soul. Dear Dawn, Or ? That may mean leaving you behind. I feel there is no Karmic tie to this person, my intuition leans more towards twin flame type status. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. I feel sad about that. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. thank you for your insight, thank you !!! As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. We have had such a difficult relationship. Dont worry, Evelyne. The Moon squares Mercury and Venus in the 9th, Pluto and Saturn in the 3rd, and squares the MC. But I do have one question? It is often said about this house that everyone else see's it before you do. P.S. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? When transit Uranus is in the composite 12th house, you may make changes together but quietly behind the scenes, with no one watching. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Hi Dawn. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. It was emotional and intense, also warm and familiar at the same time. I have met my match. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. His venus also opposed my Lilith in XII., his Pluto also trine my lilith in XII. When transit Mercury is in the composite 12th house, you may refrain from expressing thoughts and opinions with one another until youre alone, just the two of you, and no one else around. Thanks so much Dawn. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. There are two conjunctions with ascendent as well. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. One valuable lesson I learned is to refrain being attached to an outcome with him. In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. It's easier when the house represents something solid, like the fourth house with its emphasis on home and family and roots, because there is something for the composite energy to hang itself on. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Are these water houses the culprits that keep pulling me back? Hi!! They seem bonded before a word is spoken. That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. I cant make a decision of whether to stay or leave without more clarity it feels like we arent done learning what we need to learn together, but staying together in this state where she doesnt desire me is agony. Concentrate on intimacy and you should be all right. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Don't focus on the superficial parts of the relationship too much. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! What of mother-daughter pairs? We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Hello, Skye. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. i have it conjunct in our davison3rd house- and opposite in4th-10th in composite. Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. I didnt see him for a year after we split up and then ran into him last year out of nowhere. The Moon/Mars (Virgo) sextiles a close Sun/Jupiter (Cancer) conjunction in the 10th, sextiles Uranus (Scorpio) in the 2nd, trines Ceres (Capricorn) in the 4th, and squares Neptune (Sagittarius) in the 3rd all very close aspects. The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. The love you have for one another may be secret or private, and/or you are called upon to take a leap of faith in order to be with one another. The twelfth house is about vocation, our divine calling, and is a very different energy from the status-oriented tenth. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. Planets in the 12th are considered to be undevelopd or lacking something in terms of karma. With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. You dont want houses 6/8/12 in a composite for a reason= yes its really not good but the other reason this isn't good is because you have The Sun, Moon and Venus squaring neptune (AND neptune in the 12th house) so there is a VERY high level of delusion like "THIS IS MY SOULMATE" when in fact its your worst enemy who will betray/cheat/manipulate One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). When Saturn is conjunct the North Node it can be particularly ruthless in pursuing its goals. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. Yes its probably the case, but as it is unconscious, how could I manage it , or prevent myself from feeling this ? Its not special, its common. Am i trapping my self? My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. There is also Mercury in Taurus at 12 degrees, but this is in the 1st. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Chiron in Taurus 12 th House gives rise to feelings of dissatisfaction and indifference. The Chiron return often coincides. VERY-VERY SORRY! Struggling against our own unconscious is not an easy thing The Chiron return arrives at age 50, bringing for many a. pinnacle of achievement, authority, boldness, and charisma. We are from different countries and we live bliss for few moments and then a lot of despair and pain separated without any logic A tough road between Heaven and Hell! but thats life afterall! I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. I am not certain this person is a fit but yet there are alot of coincidences between us that keeps me boggled on the larger picture. Composite Sun in the 2nd House. There is a feeling of neglect present spiritually. Thank you very much Dawn. Composite Venus In 12th House With Composite Venus in the 12th house, you may find it difficult to express affection and love for one another. Our synastry with my beloved couple is very strong with good connections between both 1th and 7th house rulers and many positive aspects like double whammy saturn-moon, and positive ascendant-moon, ascendant-venus, venus-moon, and so warm and intense pluto conj. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam.
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