The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] 9-iron - 39.5 degrees. Could be the flatter lie angles. There's a reason good players don't just grab any club off the rack and change their swing to match the clubs. To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . Display as a link instead, Even with the knowledge of club bending and its importance on your play, there are a lot of misconceptions about what can and cant be done with a clubs loft and lie. Are Tommy Armour Clubs Good? 2. If they can market a club that will cut down on that slice they are going to sell more clubs. [/quote] Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. I am about a 10 handicap but am young and just now getting more serious about golfing. [/quote] With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x. So, unless you plan on bending a significant number of golf clubs (and you plan on doing it more than once), it makes much more sense to pay a club-fitter to bend your golf clubs on your behalf. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] You can post now and register later. I had my Vr pros bent 2* strong and it did both. There is a tendency to over analyze things here, and the thought that a degree or two of loft making that big of a difference is often over exaggerated. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. Your previous content has been restored. And how do you go about it? The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. 6-iron launch: 17* To be bendable the iron has to have the proper heat treatment or annealing that will allow bending - let's make the assumption that quality irons indeed have this treatment. Should I see any difference in 1 degree stronger irons? Note where the player's 'natural' lie angle is - ie the neutral/normal lie angle as above - but then intentionally bend the lie angle to mitigate their hook/slice tendencies. Display as a link instead, The Senior pros are able to compete with their graphite shafted irons, but the modern . For example, the mizuno MP forged blades (for low cappers) are flatter than the mizuno MX cast cavity back irons for the mid and high capper. The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. Is that ok? If you don't like bend them back. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. [/quote] If there are a more than normal amount of clubs that you are seeing like this then I do not know what to say. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph So I play my irons 2 deg flat. After all, golf clubs are designed in such a way to ensure that you can pick the precise club out of your bag to hit the ball the required distance. simple, 2 degrees upright is what the clubfitter fitted me at. There are the following reasons why you want to bend a club head. Taking the next club up isn't as easy because the lengths are longer and it won't be as easy to control. I think its mostly because I have better spin rate with the mid-long irons now, although I never got any numbers. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this But is bending your golf clubs really a good idea? [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='1441131685' post='12246270'] It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. We also conclusively say whether or not you should bend your clubs yourself or take them to a custom club fitter to take care of the process for you. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. He's on fire now, but I can't remember him playing well in windy conditions. Lastly I thought bending irons stronger, influenced the bounce of the club as well. Remember, the set is not necessarily progressively consistent from one club to another, and therefore each club should be checked. Cobra King LTD 17* w/Blueboard, Scor 50* RTX3 54* MD5 58* [/color] [color=#282828]This made me wonder about messing with lofts and bounce (not to mention offset). [quote name='clemsondds' post='1858228' date='Aug 1 2009, 07:36 PM']Ok thanks ya'll. ENTER NOW! and this is just for practice! RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb The irons Well the mid-irons are the perfect place to start. Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? "Just change your swing" isn't always the answer. Anyone know if most pros have this done? XXIO X Series 5 Wood! My swing has changed over the years a fair bit, yet i've always needed irons a bit upright from standard (a Euro standard although even that isn't really set in stone or anything).. Once you know what your lie angles are - keep a note if you like, then you can easily know if another brand's irons need adjusting. but, best to check for real by hitting shots with them anyway. Will that change the playability of the irons dramatically? Sitemap. [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] He use to shorten all of his irons half inch. Testing for correct lie angle is very easy - they'll put some tape along the sole of the club and get you to hit balls off a lie board (just a hard surface, can use the mat also but a good flat hard surface makes the mark easier to see). Coops, Thanks but I'm more curious about launch angle. Takomo Golf Clubs Review: (As Good as Expected? [quote name='AustinA' timestamp='1444322114' post='12428254'] You could bend them stronger but like anything there's a chance something breaks. Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. Mine are bent 2 strong to offset my high ballflight. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. So, there is obviously a new standard that the club-manufacturers have begun, so lets say the NEW 7-iron loft . See What Members Are Saying! My personal clubs are 2 up because that's what my fitting said I should be when hitting on a lie board. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. By the way, thank you all for your input! [/quote] Fit the lie angle so that when [b]YOU[/b] swing that club the sole of the club is 'flat' to the ground ie neither too upright nor too flat - this is when the impact tape on the sole of the club will show the impact/rubbing to be in the middle of the sole. Of the 59 irons surveyed in the chart, if a traditional 7-iron is 34 (thanks to this GolfWeek article ), that means 15 of them are 34 or 1 weaker than traditional loft, AND 44 are 1 or more stronger. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] Hybrids: 4-5 Epic Flash 6,7 Big Bertha. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph 9 iron 41 148 Some really do need more upright lies. By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. 2 up is a decent fit for most guys 6'1 to 6'3 with "normal" ape factor. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. ps i see a poster right before mine made comments about " good players " and their abilities to manipulate flight and trajectory of the ball just because a player has strong lofted irons does not give one indication of their ability so jump off your high horse .just because you may have a low handicap does not make you elite enough to judge others .. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Perhaps he likes the look of offset and that's how he chooses to get it done. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell R11S 8* square; Stock stiff ENTER NOW! Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. [/quote] 7 iron 34 165 Taylormade M6Callaway Steelhead XR 4+Mizuno MP-18 mb 4-PWTitliest SM7 50f, 54s, 58dSC Phantom X 5.5. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Players have been doing this for a long time. When you start messing with length, then you also mess with swing weight and then adding weight to compensate for the SW can start messing with the flex of the shaft. I know a guy who is about 5'6" and has shortish arms for his size. Cleveland RTX 2.0 50*, 55*, 60* I would think if anything it just shows that some taller people are getting into golf. Taylormade Aeroburner TP 15* GD AD-BB 7x 9 iron 42 145 Clear editor. [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. The most popular brand is Golfsmith which manufactures high-quality loft/lie bending machines. thanks. This applies to both face angle and lie. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Posted August 1, 2009. You're actual numbers are really not that bad, they a bit over the PGA tour average but I'm not sure it's worth adjusting all your clubs over. Looking For Advice or Feedback, Stealth 3 Wood, Unique Odyssey, RTX Raw, Epic Flash, Ping Eye 2 BeCu 1 iron - $1,000here me out, Your Choice of EvnRoll ER11v Mallets ($210), Titleist Scotty Cameron Futura X7M Putter and Stitch Polo XXL NWT, NEW Taylormade Stealth 2 Plus 9 deg. United States. It is true that bounce changes with loft on a 1 to 1 basis, but I think that unless you are bending an iron 2*+ that you will see a significant change in playing characteristics due to the change in bounce. Thanks everybody for the help! If you wanted to know more about how the process works of bending the loft and lie angle of clubs, watch the video below from Mitchell Golf: Although golfers often buy new golf clubs instead of modifying their current irons, bending clubs is a great way to make changes to the loft of your clubs to help you improve your accuracy and consistency. Display as a link instead, and for the mechanics I would recommend working on ball position. Reset Password Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. #3 there are no real cons, bend away and try it. [/quote] Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. It's all about control and the less flex, the better the control. Do you have any recommendations for drills or things to practice in order to improve it? Golf clubs that are 17-4 stainless steel cast irons will be more difficult to bend, as they are made of much harder metal than the likes of carbon steel and graphite. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? This is helpful if you want to adjust instead of replacing your irons, particularly if their loft angles arent as they should be. so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task [img]http://pxc86358mpx1hyn3hdxen4o1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/171831.png[/img]. I'm curious about this as well. What no one else has mentioned is that your 6 iron numbers are almost ideal for that club. Hitting off a lie board covers the in-store, sell you a set of clubs mantra. A 4 iron only has 1 degree of bounce standard so will I have negative bounce when bent two degrees strong? Look at a face on vid at impact and notice hand/front wrist position. The spin makes the ball "balloon" and land too steep which actually makes it harder to stick greens so while the spin may not be the actual problem, it's the reason that I would like to flatten my ball flight out. In most instances, this means investing in high-tech golf bending machine that allows you to adjust your clubs by about two degrees. stay away from attempting this on the course, and stay away from longer irons, until you've put in the time on the practice tee. I bent my MP-32 2 degree strong, my natural ball flight is high along with the low COG on the irons. You cannot paste images directly. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] [/quote] Mizuno MP30 5 - PW, AXE Excaliber stiff, Hogan Apex PC E Wedge (50*) TT DG s300 tiger used 2 weak one his old iron i dont know if he still using it, Ping G430LST w/ TPT 14HI / Synergy green 75tx / Ventus TR blue [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. Whether you can still hit the ball in the air and make good contact is dependent on your swing. Bending the loft is another story. Titleist's 620 MB & Callaway's Apex TCB irons are the next most used with 7. more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); One thing we talk about profusely in class are Why knowing the different variations in epoxy matter Here How to create excitement before they take the first Mitchell Golf Equipment Company Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. All gripped w/ Lamkin Crossline ACE Midsize, with buildup tape 15.5mm RH/16mm LH. get to work on improving your spinloft with your irons (I'm assuming this gets really really bad with you shortest clubs). I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Oddly, despite several swing changes over many years have consistently need a couple of degrees upright (Ping green code equivalnet, i think..). wil wait and see after my present promising swing changes.! ENTER NOW! Deciding whether or not to bend your clubs is down to personal preference. Thanks. However, correcting the loft and angle by bending the clubs is a super quick way of fixing this issue. I would be pleased with them. Non-Tapered Golf Grips: 8 Facts to Know Before You Buy! How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Ordering & Information so with that said my stronger lofts were nothing more than trying to maintain past iron distances , i would love to be able to hit a 47 or 48 degree pw 120 yrs or even a 155 to 160 yr 7 iron but age and injuries have seem to make that a next to impossible task 6 iron SS: 95.5 mph. TXG Custom Mizuno T20, 50/05, 59/06, Nippon 950H Neo. Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. Not sure about the AP2s. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. How do they test to determine which launch angle best suits you. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. You can post now and register later. Do you just go by the distance you hit them, and if you don't like your gaps you bend them a little? Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. '19 Apex Pro 5-A w/PX 6 iron 29 183 Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. [quote name='Kenny Lee Puckett' timestamp='144131685' post='12246270'] Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. Great answer Blake. If you take your clubs to a fitter or professional, you can expect to pay somewhere between $5-$20 per club, but a lot will depend on the price of amendments in your local area. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 235 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. But he said that the standard lie/loft(?) Did I just answer my owne questions, do pro's bend the clubs stronger to have less bounce? Vice versa if the club is upright. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Forged irons should be checked every year or 2 anyway for loft/lie. However, before opting to have your golf clubs bent, wed recommend speaking to a custom club fitter. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Iwas wondering if I could bend my 712 AP2 irons strong and not see any changes in the irons. then reapeat, but, move the ball more forward(note the change). Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. I have a set of S58s where the bounce is already generous, so no issues. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. Your link has been automatically embedded. How I go about it would be to get your loft and lies checked, then hit ball on trackman/flightscope/gc2, figure your carry numbers and adjust accordingly if you are that serious about doing it. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! It is common for a golfer with a swing speed of 70-to-80 mph or less to hit the ball with a lower trajectory . This sounds like a lot of advice from people who have never been high ball speed, high spin, high trajectory players. Whether its changing the lie to improve accuracy or changing loft to make sure that the players clubs are progressively consistent, angle bending is a major factor in club performance. None of the top 100 PGA Tour pros uses regular iron shafts. By doing this, you'll ensure that your irons stay in a proper shape. An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon. Depending on how often you play, iron head material softer forged carbon steels will move more with regular use and course conditions (firm versus soft), you very well could benefit from. 4 iron 24 200 [/quote] So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. But if the bounce is already minimal you start going into negative bounce. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1441037749' post='12239474'] Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. Anything more than 2 degrees and the effect on offset is noticeable While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. You cannot paste images directly. What do you mean about not seeing any changes in your irons? I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. By Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. I had one fitter tell me I could play at 4 deg flat but that seemed a little extreme. But weight is not the only trick at a club designer's disposal. See What Members Are Saying! Believe it or not, my spin loft used to be worse, but I'm kind of in a rut right now. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. These are forgiving clubs so you can work on this new action and learn it in relative safety. gonna give the "reality" recommendation so far. I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Or, (tinfoil hat on) TMAG wants him to be the poster boy for how long their new irons are and this way they get to hear McCord gush about how Day hit a 168 yard 9 iron. I've always just played with whatever I had, but I'm now trying to work my way up to being able to afford a set that actually fits me.
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